Wanbli wrote:while you may read alot of depth into the line "double hulls bearing double masts" - this was also ship tyoe first sailing in the 1850s - creating the image of a very large and powerful boat as well.
"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar..."
pony wrote:What do you make of the "double hulls bearing double masts"? I thought perhaps it could be that the narrator believes that her destiny is twinned with that of the diver. The diver is dead and she intends to follow him. I thought the reference to something being doubled was relevant as the word "twinned" comes up at the end of the next verse "the twinned and cast of shells".
I feel that Joanna has revisited some regular themes such as gender roles and woman as a symptom of man. Hence, I believe the line reads "A woman is a lie". I believe the divide she sings of is both the divide between the living and the dead and also the divide between man and woman.
Ququuluru wrote:pony wrote:What do you make of the "double hulls bearing double masts"? I thought perhaps it could be that the narrator believes that her destiny is twinned with that of the diver. The diver is dead and she intends to follow him. I thought the reference to something being doubled was relevant as the word "twinned" comes up at the end of the next verse "the twinned and cast of shells".
I feel that Joanna has revisited some regular themes such as gender roles and woman as a symptom of man. Hence, I believe the line reads "A woman is a lie". I believe the divide she sings of is both the divide between the living and the dead and also the divide between man and woman.
Very insightful comment, pony. I have heard Joanna mention something about "woman as a symptom of man" before in an interview and was somewhat taken aback. I wonder how seriously she would really take a definition like that. Perhaps there are some extensive philosophical meanderings surrounding the phrase in its original setting that would qualify the remark; but I am not familiar with that philosophy, and the phrase as it stands alone not only sounds untrue but also rudely chauvinistic. It is a shame that people can let themselves be bullied and mentally confused by those so-called philosophers and their spawn that will let their egos be conflated with erroneous viewpoints and charming verbosity and who will sometimes go to unusual and cruel lengths to defend an untruth as a truth.
I definitely also see the thematic re-appearence of the living/dead divide and also the male/female divide in Joanna's work. These particular divides are rather interesting as they are somewhat ambiguous. How much of a divide is it really? A cravasse? A crevice?
Flickering_Wasteland wrote:a la "bolt like a horse/whore"
forgotten.emporium wrote:In regards to woman being a symptom of man...I don't beleive she means physically. I think it refers to our roles in society....oppression and the treatment of women throughtout history. Women's archetype, image, and attitudes are a symptom of men's domineering roles and without them we would be very different I think. It's possible that she even believes that man is a symptom of woman...who knows..I just know it can't be physical.
forgotten.emporium wrote:In regards to woman being a symptom of man...I don't beleive she means physically. I think it refers to our roles in society....oppression and the treatment of women throughtout history. Women's archetype, image, and attitudes are a symptom of men's domineering roles and without them we would be very different I think. It's possible that she even believes that man is a symptom of woman...who knows..I just know it can't be physical.
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