Ququuluru wrote:You have not studied nearly enough to call yourself intelligent!
I'm not interested in hearing your sophistry, but I will hear your arguments.
Jordan~ wrote:Historical information? Integrity? Not once, according to the archaeological record - an objective record of the past - was there a Jew in Egypt. Never mind Moses, never mind Exodus. All of it, a complete myth. Nor for that matter is there an independent historical record of the existence of Jesus of Nazareth, despite accounts of numerous others of the messianic preachers who infested Jerusalem at the time. To say nothing of its philosophical value, which I hold in utter contempt, the Bible is not a reliable source of historical information on almost any subject. I reserve this scorn for the Abrahamic religions, whose content is an aggressive cancer.
Jordan~ wrote:I don't doubt that all religions have been misappropriated. What I doubt is that there was anything of value in Abrahamic religion before it was misappropriated. What I see very clearly is a pale shadow of a philosophy based exclusively on the glorification of a tyrannical universal patriarch. I see a double-binding abusive father for the world to feel obliged to love. Let's stop pretending that Yahweh was anything more than the effort of the Hebrew people's ruling class to prevent their power from being eroded to nothing by assimilation at the hands of their numerous conquerors. It was a power ideology from the very moment it abandoned the other Aramaic gods, and the same is true of all of its descendants. We would not be talking about Jesus or reading the Bible if the Roman Empire had not been collapsing when Jerusalem was crawling with prophets and the Classical world ripe with the spirit of syncretism required to combine them all into one conveniently vague chthonic god-hero mouthpiece. Christianity, as we know it today, was never anything more than the effort of the Roman state to usurp control over popular religious trends (such as Orpheanism and Neo-Platonism) and twist them to the purpose of state continuity. They were enormously successful in ways they did not anticipate.
Jordan~ wrote:You know as well as I do that the scriptures were edited numerous times under the supervision of the state. The original authors of the scriptures (how many of them were historical figures is debatable until the New Testament, and even then it's not exactly clear that the names we are given belonged to real people) may not have been the conquerors in the case of Christianity; Muhammad, however, led armies, and even relatively early Christians were thugs and vandals, destroying everything that was not theirs and theirs alone - take the Bacaudae of Gaul and Britannia, for instance.
dwaink wrote:qug at times it is very hard to distinguish between faith and religion, as the faith people live is usually much better than the religion acts. there is no end of bad things that have been done in religions name
mormons are amazingly wonderful people(mostly) and yet the church itself has done(and will do) serious harm...i can love the people and still despise the institution...this is the wall u seem to be running at
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