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Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 28 Oct 2016, 18:37
by Julia
CORRECTED PAIRS

Set 1 - Pairings 1 to 6
SECOND DIVISION
Pairing B-4 - Time, As A Symptom
Set 2 - Pairings 7 to 12
SECOND DIVISION
Pairing B-7 - Divers

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 28 Oct 2016, 23:01
by Headless_Caboose
CORRECTED PAIRS

Set 1 - Pairings 1 to 6
SECOND DIVISION
Pairing B-4 - Go Long

Set 2 - Pairings 7 to 12
SECOND DIVISION
Pairing B-7 - Divers

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 29 Oct 2016, 23:07
by Steve
Thank you for your updated votes, under a CPell, Julia, and Headless_Caboose, and once again my apologies for the error.

Voting is now closed for the first 2 sets - I am tallying up the votes and will post the results and the next sets of pairings shortly.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 30 Oct 2016, 00:52
by Steve
Here are the first sets of results ...

2016 Joanna Newsom Song Tournament VI
Final

Set 1 - Pairings 1 to 6
A FINAL
Pairing A-1 - Sadie 2 Sawdust & Diamonds 4 (PP 3.33 : 6.67 )
Pairing A-2 - In California 3 Cosmia 3 (PP 5 : 5 )
Pairing A-3 - Sapokanikan 5 Soft As Chalk 1 (PP 8.33 : 1.67 )
Pairing A-4 - Anecdotes 1.5 Only Skin 4.5 (PP 2.5 : 7.5 )
Pairing A-5 - Have One On Me 5 Baby Birch 1 (PP 8.33 : 1.67 )
Pairing A-6 - Emily 4.5 Kingfisher 1.5 (PP 7.5 : 2.5 )
B FINAL
Pairing B-1 - Esme 2 Divers 4 (PP 3.33 : 6.67 )
Pairing B-2 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!) 2 Good Intentions Paving Co. 4 (PP 3.33 : 6.67 )
Pairing B-3 - Peach, Plum, Pear 2 Ribbon Bows 4 (PP 3.33 : 6.67 )
Pairing B-4 - Time, As A Symptom 3 Go Long 3 (PP 5 : 5 )
Pairing B-5 - Easy 3 Monkey & Bear 3 (PP 5 : 5 )
Pairing B-6 - Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne 5 Goose Eggs 1 (PP 8.33 : 1.67 )
C FINAL
Pairing C-1 - Bridges And Balloons 1 Leaving The City 5 (PP 1.67 : 8.33 )
Pairing C-2 - A Pin-Light Bent 2.5 Swansea 3.5 (PP 4.17 : 5.83 )
Pairing C-3 - '81 4 Inflammatory Writ 2 (PP 6.67 : 3.33 )
Pairing C-4 - Jackrabbits 1 Autumn 5 (PP 1.67 : 8.33 )
Pairing C-5 - On A Good Day 3 Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie 3 (PP 5 : 5 )
Pairing C-6 - You Will Not Take My Heart Alive 3 No Provenance 3 (PP 5 : 5 )



Set 2 - Pairings 7 to 12
A FINAL
Pairing A-7 - Anecdotes 2.5 Sawdust & Diamonds 3.5 (PP 4.17 : 5.83 )
Pairing A-8 - Sadie 3.5 Sapokanikan 2.5 (PP 5.83 : 4.17 )
Pairing A-9 - Have One On Me 5.5 In California 0.5 (PP 9.17 : 0.83 )
Pairing A-10 - Emily 5 Soft As Chalk 1 (PP 8.33 : 1.67 )
Pairing A-11 - Only Skin 4.5 Baby Birch 1.5 (PP 7.5 : 2.5 )
Pairing A-12 - Cosmia 4.5 Kingfisher 1.5 (PP 7.5 : 2.5 )
B FINAL
Pairing B-7 - Time, As A Symptom 2 Divers 4 (PP 3.33 : 6.67 )
Pairing B-8 - Esme 3.5 Peach, Plum, Pear 2.5 (PP 5.83 : 4.17 )
Pairing B-9 - Easy 3.5 "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!) 2.5 (PP 5.83 : 4.17 )
Pairing B-10 - Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne 4 Ribbon Bows 2 (PP 6.67 : 3.33 )
Pairing B-11 - Go Long 2.5 Monkey & Bear 3.5 (PP 4.17 : 5.83 )
Pairing B-12 - Good Intentions Paving Co. 3.5 Goose Eggs 2.5 (PP 5.83 : 4.17 )
C FINAL
Pairing C-7 - Jackrabbits 3.5 Leaving The City 2.5 (PP 5.83 : 4.17 )
Pairing C-8 - Bridges And Balloons 1.5 '81 4.5 (PP 2.5 : 7.5 )
Pairing C-9 - On A Good Day 2 A Pin-Light Bent 4 (PP 3.33 : 6.67 )
Pairing C-10 - You Will Not Take My Heart Alive 3.5 Inflammatory Writ 2.5 (PP 5.83 : 4.17 )
Pairing C-11 - Autumn 3.5 Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie 2.5 (PP 5.83 : 4.17 )
Pairing C-12 - Swansea 2.5 No Provenance 3.5 (PP 4.17 : 5.83 )

NB: Some of these are provisional at present, for the reasons given in earlier posts: if MadPawn and Solfatara wish to revisit their votes for the first week, they may do so if done during the course of this week's voting, and I will adjust the positions accordingly.

Here are the standings after two sets:

Code: Select all
2016 JOANNA NEWSOM SONG TOURNAMENT VI - FIRST DIVISION
SCORES AFTER SET 2
......... Song .......... P  W  D  L   V  WP  PP   BP  Pts
1  Have One On Me ………………  2  2  0  0  11  20  18   20   58
2  Emily ………………………………………  2  2  0  0  10  20  16   20   56
3  Only Skin ……………………………  2  2  0  0   9  20  15   21   56
4  Sawdust & Diamonds ……  2  2  0  0   8  20  13   20   52
5  Cosmia ……………………………………  2  1  1  0   8  15  13   20   48
6  Sapokanikan ………………………  2  1  0  1   8  10  13   20   43
7  Sadie ………………………………………  2  1  0  1   6  10   9   19   38
8  In California …………………  2  0  1  1   4   5   6   19   30
9  Anecdotes ……………………………  2  0  0  2   4   0   7   19   26
10 Baby Birch …………………………  2  0  0  2   3   0   4   20   24
11 Kingfisher …………………………  2  0  0  2   3   0   5   19   24
12 Soft As Chalk …………………  2  0  0  2   2   0   3   18   21

2016 JOANNA NEWSOM SONG TOURNAMENT VI - SECOND DIVISION
SCORES AFTER SET 2
......... Song .......... P  W  D  L   V  WP  PP   BP  Pts
1  W/101st Lightborne ……  2  2  0  0   9  20  15   17   52
2  Good Intentions PC ……  2  2  0  0   8  20  13   17   50
3  Divers ……………………………………  2  2  0  0   8  20  13   16   49
4  Easy …………………………………………  2  1  1  0   7  15  11   16   42
5  Monkey & Bear …………………  2  1  1  0   7  15  11   16   42
6  Esme …………………………………………  2  1  0  1   6  10   9   15   34
7  Ribbon Bows ………………………  2  1  0  1   6  10  10   14   34
8  Go Long …………………………………  2  0  1  1   6   5   9   18   32
9  Time, As a Symptom ……  2  0  1  1   5   5   8   15   29
10 Peach, Plum, Pear ………  2  0  0  2   5   0   8   17   25
11 En Gallop! …………………………  2  0  0  2   5   0   8   15   23
12 Goose Eggs …………………………  2  0  0  2   4   0   6   14   20

2016 JOANNA NEWSOM SONG TOURNAMENT VI - THIRD DIVISION
SCORES AFTER SET 2
......... Song .......... P  W  D  L   V  WP  PP   BP  Pts
1  Autumn ……………………………………  2  2  0  0   9  20  14   15   49
2  ’81 ……………………………………………  2  2  0  0   9  20  14   14   48
3  You Will Not TMHA ………  2  1  1  0   7  15  11   14   40
4  Leaving The City …………  2  1  0  1   8  10  13   14   36
5  No Provenance …………………  2  1  1  0   7  15  11   10   36
6  Swansea …………………………………  2  1  0  1   6  10  10   14   34
7  A Pin-Light Bent …………  2  1  0  1   7  10  11   13   33
8  Jackrabbits ………………………  2  1  0  1   5  10   8   13   30
9  Clam Crab Cockle C ……  2  0  1  1   6   5   9   13   27
10 On A Good Day …………………  2  0  1  1   5   5   8   14   27
11 Inflammatory Writ ………  2  0  0  2   5   0   8    9   17
12 Bridges + Balloons ……  2  0  0  2   3   0   4   10   14


It's very early days yet, of course, but Division One has an unfamiliar look about it, with Only Skin down in 3rd, although the top three are separated only by very slender margins. The Final of JNST4 was not conducted on a round-robin basis, but all the others were, with tables published after every set or pair of sets. The above is the first time in any of these tables that Only Skin has not been at the top of the table!

Here are the pairings for your next votes. Anyone new to the Joanna Newsom Song Tournament is welcome to vote - please just skim through my posts in this thread for the rules. I intend to leave these sets open for voting until a minute to midnight UK time (that's about to be GMT - Greenwich Mean Time) on Saturday 5th November 2016. Something to look forward to after the fireworks! That means you have a week (all but an hour or two) to vote.

2016 Joanna Newsom Song Tournament VI
Final

Set 3 - Pairings 13 to 18
A FINAL
Pairing A-13 - Sawdust & Diamonds || Only Skin
Pairing A-14 - Sadie || Emily
Pairing A-15 - Baby Birch || In California
Pairing A-16 - Sapokanikan || Anecdotes
Pairing A-17 - Kingfisher || Have One On Me
Pairing A-18 - Soft As Chalk || Cosmia
B FINAL
Pairing B-13 - Divers || Go Long
Pairing B-14 - Esme || Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
Pairing B-15 - Monkey & Bear || "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
Pairing B-16 - Peach, Plum, Pear || Time, As A Symptom
Pairing B-17 - Goose Eggs || Easy
Pairing B-18 - Ribbon Bows || Good Intentions Paving Co.
C FINAL
Pairing C-13 - Leaving The City || Autumn
Pairing C-14 - Bridges And Balloons || You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
Pairing C-15 - Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie || A Pin-Light Bent
Pairing C-16 - '81 || Jackrabbits
Pairing C-17 - No Provenance || On A Good Day
Pairing C-18 - Inflammatory Writ || Swansea



Set 4 - Pairings 19 to 24
A FINAL
Pairing A-19 - Baby Birch || Kingfisher
Pairing A-20 - Cosmia || Sadie
Pairing A-21 - Sawdust & Diamonds || Sapokanikan
Pairing A-22 - In California || Only Skin
Pairing A-23 - Emily || Anecdotes
Pairing A-24 - Soft As Chalk || Have One On Me
B FINAL
Pairing B-19 - Monkey & Bear || Goose Eggs
Pairing B-20 - Good Intentions Paving Co. || Esme
Pairing B-21 - Divers || Peach, Plum, Pear
Pairing B-22 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!) || Go Long
Pairing B-23 - Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne || Time, As A Symptom
Pairing B-24 - Ribbon Bows || Easy
C FINAL
Pairing C-19 - Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie || No Provenance
Pairing C-20 - Swansea || Bridges And Balloons
Pairing C-21 - Leaving The City || '81
Pairing C-22 - A Pin-Light Bent || Autumn
Pairing C-23 - You Will Not Take My Heart Alive || Jackrabbits
Pairing C-24 - Inflammatory Writ || On A Good Day

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 01 Nov 2016, 01:59
by Steve
Here are my votes for these pairings. I don't often have ties, but there are several here; maybe it's because it's 2am.

Set 3 - Pairings 13 to 18
A FINAL
Pairing A-13 - Only Skin
Pairing A-14 - Emily
Pairing A-15 - Baby Birch
Pairing A-16 - Anecdotes
Pairing A-17 - Kingfisher
Pairing A-18 - Cosmia
B FINAL
Pairing B-13 - Divers
Pairing B-14 - Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
Pairing B-15 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
Pairing B-16 - Time, As A Symptom
Pairing B-17 - Goose Eggs
Pairing B-18 - Ribbon Bows
C FINAL
Pairing C-13 - Leaving The City = Autumn TIE
Pairing C-14 - Bridges And Balloons
Pairing C-15 - Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie
Pairing C-16 - '81
Pairing C-17 - On A Good Day
Pairing C-18 - Inflammatory Writ = Swansea TIE

Set 4 - Pairings 19 to 24
A FINAL
Pairing A-19 - Baby Birch [I actually listen to Kingfisher more, but maybe that's because BB takes more concentration]
Pairing A-20 - Cosmia [but Sadie is gaining ground!]
Pairing A-21 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Pairing A-22 - Only Skin
Pairing A-23 - Emily = Anecdotes TIE
Pairing A-24 - Soft As Chalk = Have One On Me TIE
B FINAL
Pairing B-19 - Goose Eggs
Pairing B-20 - Esme
Pairing B-21 - Divers
Pairing B-22 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
Pairing B-23 - Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
Pairing B-24 - Ribbon Bows
C FINAL
Pairing C-19 - Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie
Pairing C-20 - Bridges And Balloons
Pairing C-21 - '81
Pairing C-22 - A Pin-Light Bent
Pairing C-23 - You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
Pairing C-24 - Inflammatory Writ

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 03 Nov 2016, 22:10
by under a CPell
Set 3 - Pairings 13 to 18
A FINAL
Pairing A-13 - Only Skin
Pairing A-14 - Sadie
Pairing A-15 - In California
Pairing A-16 - Anecdotes
Pairing A-17 - Have One On Me
Pairing A-18 - Cosmia
B FINAL
Pairing B-13 - Divers=Go Long tied
Pairing B-14 - Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
Pairing B-15 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
Pairing B-16 - Peach, Plum, Pear=Time, As A Symptom tied
Pairing B-17 - Easy
Pairing B-18 - Good Intentions Paving Co.
C FINAL
Pairing C-13 - Leaving The City
Pairing C-14 - Bridges And Balloons
Pairing C-15 - A Pin-Light Bent
Pairing C-16 - '81
Pairing C-17 - No Provenance
Pairing C-18 - Swansea



Set 4 - Pairings 19 to 24
A FINAL
Pairing A-19 - Kingfisher
Pairing A-20 - Cosmia=Sadie tied
Pairing A-21 - Sapokanikan
Pairing A-22 - Only Skin
Pairing A-23 - Anecdotes
Pairing A-24 - Have One On Me
B FINAL
Pairing B-19 - Goose Eggs
Pairing B-20 - Good Intentions Paving Co.
Pairing B-21 - Divers=Peach, Plum, Pear tied
Pairing B-22 - Go Long
Pairing B-23 - Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne =Time, As A Symptom tied
Pairing B-24 - Easy
C FINAL
Pairing C-19 - No Provenance
Pairing C-20 - Swansea
Pairing C-21 - Leaving The City
Pairing C-22 - A Pin-Light Bent=Autumn tied
Pairing C-23 - Jackrabbits
Pairing C-24 - On A Good Day

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 03 Nov 2016, 23:00
by Adam
Whoops! Looks like I missed the first one of these. Here's my entries for this go anyway.

Set 3 - Pairings 13 to 18
A FINAL
Pairing A-13 - Sawdust & Diamonds == Only Skin [I can't imagine one without the other!]
Pairing A-14 - Sadie == Emily
Pairing A-15 - In California
Pairing A-16 - Sapokanikan
Pairing A-17 - Kingfisher
Pairing A-18 - Cosmia
B FINAL
Pairing B-13 - Go Long
Pairing B-14 - Esme == Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne [I'm equally "meh" on both]
Pairing B-15 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
Pairing B-16 - Peach, Plum, Pear
Pairing B-17 - Goose Eggs
Pairing B-18 - Good Intentions Paving Co.
C FINAL
Pairing C-13 - Autumn
Pairing C-14 - Bridges And Balloons
Pairing C-15 - A Pin-Light Bent
Pairing C-16 - '81 [Interesting to have two of the most musically similar songs from HOOM to pick between]
Pairing C-17 - No Provenance
Pairing C-18 - Inflammatory Writ



Set 4 - Pairings 19 to 24
A FINAL
Pairing A-19 - Baby Birch
Pairing A-20 - Sadie
Pairing A-21 - Sapokanikan
Pairing A-22 - Only Skin
Pairing A-23 - Emily
Pairing A-24 - Have One On Me
B FINAL
Pairing B-19 - Monkey & Bear == Goose Eggs
Pairing B-20 - Good Intentions Paving Co.
Pairing B-21 - Peach, Plum, Pear
Pairing B-22 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
Pairing B-23 - Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne == Time, As A Symptom
Pairing B-24 - Easy
C FINAL
Pairing C-19 - No Provenance
Pairing C-20 - Bridges And Balloons
Pairing C-21 - Leaving The City [*]
Pairing C-22 - A Pin-Light Bent
Pairing C-23 - Jackrabbits
Pairing C-24 - Inflammatory Writ

*These two next to each other reminded me of something I read recently about the symbolic meaning the City has in many of W. H. Auden's poems... It would be interesting to look at JN's songs in a similar way. I have wondered before whether the Gardens of Divers (in "Anecdotes" and "A Pin-light, Bent") represent Eden, like the one in "'81" does.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 04 Nov 2016, 04:01
by madpawn
Set 3 - Pairings 13 to 18
A FINAL
Pairing A-13 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Pairing A-14 - Sadie
Pairing A-15 - Baby Birch
Pairing A-16 - Anecdotes
Pairing A-17 - Have One On Me
Pairing A-18 - Cosmia
B FINAL
Pairing B-13 - Go Long
Pairing B-14 - Esme
Pairing B-15 - Monkey & Bear
Pairing B-16 - Peach, Plum, Pear
Pairing B-17 - Easy
Pairing B-18 - Good Intentions Paving Co.
C FINAL
Pairing C-13 - Autumn
Pairing C-14 - You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
Pairing C-15 - A Pin-Light Bent
Pairing C-16 - '81
Pairing C-17 - No Provenance
Pairing C-18 - Swansea



Set 4 - Pairings 19 to 24
A FINAL
Pairing A-19 - Baby Birch
Pairing A-20 - Sadie
Pairing A-21 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Pairing A-22 - In California
Pairing A-23 - Emily
Pairing A-24 - Have One On Me
B FINAL
Pairing B-19 - Monkey & Bear
Pairing B-20 - Esme
Pairing B-21 - Peach, Plum, Pear
Pairing B-22 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
Pairing B-23 - Time, As A Symptom
Pairing B-24 - Easy
C FINAL
Pairing C-19 - No Provenance
Pairing C-20 - Swansea
Pairing C-21 - '81
Pairing C-22 - A Pin-Light Bent
Pairing C-23 - Jackrabbits
Pairing C-24 - On A Good Day

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 04 Nov 2016, 10:24
by solfatara
Here are my votes!

Set 3 - Pairings 13 to 18
A FINAL
Pairing A-13 - Only Skin
Pairing A-14 - Emily
Pairing A-15 - In California
Pairing A-16 - Sapokanikan || Anecdotes (tie)
Pairing A-17 - Have One On Me
Pairing A-18 - Cosmia
B FINAL
Pairing B-13 - Go Long
Pairing B-14 - Esme
Pairing B-15 - Monkey & Bear
Pairing B-16 - Time, As A Symptom
Pairing B-17 - Easy
Pairing B-18 - Ribbon Bows
C FINAL
Pairing C-13 - Autumn
Pairing C-14 - You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
Pairing C-15 - A Pin-Light Bent
Pairing C-16 - '81
Pairing C-17 - No Provenance
Pairing C-18 - Swansea



Set 4 - Pairings 19 to 24
A FINAL
Pairing A-19 - Kingfisher
Pairing A-20 - Cosmia
Pairing A-21 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Pairing A-22 - Only Skin
Pairing A-23 - Emily
Pairing A-24 - Have One On Me
B FINAL
Pairing B-19 - Monkey & Bear
Pairing B-20 - Good Intentions Paving Co. || Esme (tie)
Pairing B-21 - Divers
Pairing B-22 - Go Long
Pairing B-23 - Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
Pairing B-24 - Ribbon Bows
C FINAL
Pairing C-19 - No Provenance
Pairing C-20 - Swansea
Pairing C-21 - Leaving The City
Pairing C-22 - Autumn
Pairing C-23 - You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
Pairing C-24 - Inflammatory Writ

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 05 Nov 2016, 14:24
by Headless_Caboose
Set 3 - Pairings 13 to 18
A FINAL
Pairing A-13 - Only Skin
Pairing A-14 - Emily
Pairing A-15 - Baby Birch
Pairing A-16 - Anecdotes
Pairing A-17 - Have One On Me
Pairing A-18 - Cosmia
B FINAL
Pairing B-13 - Go Long
Pairing B-14 - Esme = Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
Pairing B-15 - Monkey & Bear
Pairing B-16 - Peach, Plum, Pear
Pairing B-17 - Easy
Pairing B-18 - Good Intentions Paving Co.
C FINAL
Pairing C-13 - Autumn
Pairing C-14 - Bridges And Balloons
Pairing C-15 - Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie
Pairing C-16 - '81
Pairing C-17 - No Provenance
Pairing C-18 - Swansea



Set 4 - Pairings 19 to 24
A FINAL
Pairing A-19 - Baby Birch
Pairing A-20 - Cosmia
Pairing A-21 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Pairing A-22 - Only Skin
Pairing A-23 - Emily
Pairing A-24 - Have One On Me
B FINAL
Pairing B-19 - Monkey & Bear
Pairing B-20 - Good Intentions Paving Co.
Pairing B-21 - Divers
Pairing B-22 - Go Long
Pairing B-23 - Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
Pairing B-24 - Easy
C FINAL
Pairing C-19 - No Provenance
Pairing C-20 - Swansea
Pairing C-21 - '81
Pairing C-22 - Autumn
Pairing C-23 - Jackrabbits
Pairing C-24 - On A Good Day

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 05 Nov 2016, 20:43
by Julia
Set 3 - Pairings 13 to 18
A FINAL
Pairing A-13 - Only Skin
Pairing A-14 - Emily
Pairing A-15 - Baby Birch
Pairing A-16 - Anecdotes
Pairing A-17 - Have One On Me
Pairing A-18 - Soft As Chalk
B FINAL
Pairing B-13 - Divers
Pairing B-14 - Esme
Pairing B-15 - Monkey & Bear
Pairing B-16 - Time, As A Symptom
Pairing B-17 - Goose Eggs
Pairing B-18 - Ribbon Bows
C FINAL
Pairing C-13 - Leaving The City
Pairing C-14 - You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
Pairing C-15 - Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie
Pairing C-16 - '81
Pairing C-17 - On A Good Day
Pairing C-18 - Inflammatory Writ



Set 4 - Pairings 19 to 24
A FINAL
Pairing A-19 - Kingfisher
Pairing A-20 - Cosmia
Pairing A-21 - Sawdust & Diamonds || Sapokanikan = TIE
Pairing A-22 - Only Skin
Pairing A-23 - Emily || Anecdotes = TIE
Pairing A-24 - Have One On Me
B FINAL
Pairing B-19 - Goose Eggs
Pairing B-20 - Esme
Pairing B-21 - Divers
Pairing B-22 - Go Long
Pairing B-23 - Time, As A Symptom
Pairing B-24 - Ribbon Bows
C FINAL
Pairing C-19 - Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie
Pairing C-20 - Swansea
Pairing C-21 - Leaving The City
Pairing C-22 - A Pin-Light Bent
Pairing C-23 - Jackrabbits
Pairing C-24 - Inflammatory Writ

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 06 Nov 2016, 01:32
by Steve
Thank you for your votes:
under a CPell (it was interesting that - apart from your tie, every one of your votes in Set 4 C Final was the opposite to mine),
Adam (don't worry about missing the first set - glad you have now joined in: I was also interested to note how you likened '81 to Jackrabbits - when I read the comment, my first instinct was that I would check the pairings and find that '81 had been paired with On A Good Day, the song I most liken it to for some reason),
madpawn,
solfatara,
Headless_Caboose, and
Julia.

Voting for these all sets up to & including set 4 is now closed, and there have been no changes to the provisional results of sets 1 & 2 (in which I allocated ½ point to each song in any undetermined pairing).

Here are the results of the latest two sets:

2016 Joanna Newsom Song Tournament VI
Final

Set 3 - Pairings 13 to 18
A FINAL
Pairing A-13 - Sawdust & Diamonds 1.5 Only Skin 5.5 (PP 2.14 : 7.86 )
Pairing A-14 - Sadie 2.5 Emily 4.5 (PP 3.57 : 6.43 )
Pairing A-15 - Baby Birch 4 In California 3 (PP 5.71 : 4.29 )
Pairing A-16 - Sapokanikan 1.5 Anecdotes 5.5 (PP 2.14 : 7.86 )
Pairing A-17 - Kingfisher 2 Have One On Me 5 (PP 2.86 : 7.14 )
Pairing A-18 - Soft As Chalk 1 Cosmia 6 (PP 1.43 : 8.57 )
B FINAL
Pairing B-13 - Divers 2.5 Go Long 4.5 (PP 3.57 : 6.43 )
Pairing B-14 - Esme 4 Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne 3 (PP 5.71 : 4.29 )
Pairing B-15 - Monkey & Bear 4 "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!) 3 (PP 5.71 : 4.29 )
Pairing B-16 - Peach, Plum, Pear 3.5 Time, As A Symptom 3.5 (PP 5 : 5 )
Pairing B-17 - Goose Eggs 3 Easy 4 (PP 4.29 : 5.71 )
Pairing B-18 - Ribbon Bows 3 Good Intentions Paving Co. 4 (PP 4.29 : 5.71 )
C FINAL
Pairing C-13 - Leaving The City 2.5 Autumn 4.5 (PP 3.57 : 6.43 )
Pairing C-14 - Bridges And Balloons 4 You Will Not Take My Heart Alive 3 (PP 5.71 : 4.29 )
Pairing C-15 - Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie 3 A Pin-Light Bent 4 (PP 4.29 : 5.71 )
Pairing C-16 - '81 7 Jackrabbits 0 (PP 10 : 0 )
Pairing C-17 - No Provenance 5 On A Good Day 2 (PP 7.14 : 2.86 )
Pairing C-18 - Inflammatory Writ 3 Swansea 4 (PP 4.29 : 5.71 )



Set 4 - Pairings 19 to 24
A FINAL
Pairing A-19 - Baby Birch 4 Kingfisher 3 (PP 5.71 : 4.29 )
Pairing A-20 - Cosmia 4.5 Sadie 2.5 (PP 6.43 : 3.57 )
Pairing A-21 - Sawdust & Diamonds 4.5 Sapokanikan 2.5 (PP 6.43 : 3.57 )
Pairing A-22 - In California 1 Only Skin 6 (PP 1.43 : 8.57 )
Pairing A-23 - Emily 5 Anecdotes 2 (PP 7.14 : 2.86 )
Pairing A-24 - Soft As Chalk 0.5 Have One On Me 6.5 (PP 0.71 : 9.29 )
B FINAL
Pairing B-19 - Monkey & Bear 3.5 Goose Eggs 3.5 (PP 5 : 5 )
Pairing B-20 - Good Intentions Paving Co. 3.5 Esme 3.5 (PP 5 : 5 )
Pairing B-21 - Divers 4.5 Peach, Plum, Pear 2.5 (PP 6.43 : 3.57 )
Pairing B-22 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!) 3 Go Long 4 (PP 4.29 : 5.71 )
Pairing B-23 - Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne 4 Time, As A Symptom 3 (PP 5.71 : 4.29 )
Pairing B-24 - Ribbon Bows 3 Easy 4 (PP 4.29 : 5.71 )
C FINAL
Pairing C-19 - Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie 2 No Provenance 5 (PP 2.86 : 7.14 )
Pairing C-20 - Swansea 5 Bridges And Balloons 2 (PP 7.14 : 2.86 )
Pairing C-21 - Leaving The City 4 '81 3 (PP 5.71 : 4.29 )
Pairing C-22 - A Pin-Light Bent 4.5 Autumn 2.5 (PP 6.43 : 3.57 )
Pairing C-23 - You Will Not Take My Heart Alive 2 Jackrabbits 5 (PP 2.86 : 7.14 )
Pairing C-24 - Inflammatory Writ 4 On A Good Day 3 (PP 5.71 : 4.29 )


There were lots of very close ones this time, especially in Division 2, which had three ties. I have to feel sorry for En Gallop, a personal favourite of mine, which led its two pairings 3-0 and 3-1 at stages, but eventually lost both 3-4. There was also a rare 'whitewash' in Division 3, where Jackrabbits polled no votes at all against '81. Soft As Chalk almost suffered the same fate against Have One On Me.
In the top division, three songs have won all their pairings, with Only Skin now moving up to 2nd. Curiously, Cosmia has recorded three wins and a tie, but the tie came against In California, which has lost its other three match-ups.

The tables for each division now read -

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2016 JOANNA NEWSOM SONG TOURNAMENT VI - FIRST DIVISION
SCORES AFTER SET 4
......... Song .......... P  W  D  L   V  WP  PP  BP   Pts
1  Have One On Me ………………  4  4  0  0  22  40  34   20   94
2  Only Skin ……………………………  4  4  0  0  21  40  31   21   92
3  Emily ………………………………………  4  4  0  0  19  40  29   20   90
4  Cosmia ……………………………………  4  3  1  0  18  35  28   20   83
5  Sawdust & Diamonds ……  4  3  0  1  14  30  21   20   71
6  Baby Birch …………………………  4  2  0  2  11  20  16   20   55
7  Sapokanikan ………………………  4  1  0  3  12  10  18   20   48
8  Anecdotes ……………………………  4  1  0  3  12  10  17   19   47
9  Sadie ………………………………………  4  1  0  3  11  10  16   19   45
10 In California …………………  4  0  1  3   8   5  12   19   36
11 Kingfisher …………………………  4  0  0  4   8   0  12   19   31
12 Soft As Chalk …………………  4  0  0  4   4   0   5   18   23

2016 JOANNA NEWSOM SONG TOURNAMENT VI - SECOND DIVISION
SCORES AFTER SET 4
......... Song .......... P  W  D  L   V  WP  PP  BP   Pts
1  Good Intentions PC ……  4  3  1  0  15  35  23   17   76
2  Easy …………………………………………  4  3  1  0  15  35  22   16   73
3  W/101st Lightborne ……  4  3  0  1  16  30  25   17   72
4  Divers ……………………………………  4  3  0  1  15  30  23   16   69
5  Monkey & Bear …………………  4  2  2  0  14  30  22   16   67
6  Go Long …………………………………  4  2  1  1  14  25  21   18   64
7  Esme …………………………………………  4  2  1  1  13  25  20   15   60
8  Time, As a Symptom ……  4  0  2  2  12  10  18   15   43
9  Ribbon Bows ………………………  4  1  0  3  12  10  19   14   42
10 Peach, Plum, Pear ………  4  0  1  3  11   5  16   17   38
11 Goose Eggs …………………………  4  0  1  3  10   5  15   14   34
12 En Gallop! …………………………  4  0  0  4  11   0  16   15   31

2016 JOANNA NEWSOM SONG TOURNAMENT VI - THIRD DIVISION
SCORES AFTER SET 4
......... Song .......... P  W  D  L   V  WP  PP  BP   Pts
1  ’81 ……………………………………………  4  3  0  1  19  30  28   14   73
2  No Provenance …………………  4  3  1  0  17  35  25   10   70
3  Autumn ……………………………………  4  3  0  1  16  30  24   15   69
4  Swansea …………………………………  4  3  0  1  15  30  23   14   67
5  A Pin-Light Bent …………  4  3  0  1  15  30  23   13   65
6  Leaving The City …………  4  2  0  2  14  20  22   14   55
7  Jackrabbits ………………………  4  2  0  2  10  20  15   13   47
8  You Will Not TMHA ………  4  1  1  2  12  15  18   14   47
9  Inflammatory Writ ………  4  1  0  3  12  10  18    9   37
10 Clam Crab Cockle C ……  4  0  1  3  11   5  16   13   35
11 On A Good Day …………………  4  0  1  3  10   5  15   14   34
12 Bridges + Balloons ……  4  1  0  3   9  10  13   10   33


The next two sets of pairings will appear in a few moments.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 06 Nov 2016, 01:37
by Steve
Here are the next 36 pairings for you to vote on. Voting will remain open for a fraction under a week, as I intend to close it at a minute to midnight (UK time) next Saturday 12th November 2016:

2016 Joanna Newsom Song Tournament VI
Final

Set 5 - Pairings 25 to 30
A FINAL
Pairing A-25 - Sawdust & Diamonds || Kingfisher
Pairing A-26 - Have One On Me || Cosmia
Pairing A-27 - In California || Sapokanikan
Pairing A-28 - Only Skin || Sadie
Pairing A-29 - Anecdotes || Soft As Chalk
Pairing A-30 - Baby Birch || Emily
B FINAL
Pairing B-25 - Divers || Goose Eggs
Pairing B-26 - Easy || Good Intentions Paving Co.
Pairing B-27 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!) || Peach, Plum, Pear
Pairing B-28 - Go Long || Esme
Pairing B-29 - Time, As A Symptom || Ribbon Bows
Pairing B-30 - Monkey & Bear || Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
C FINAL
Pairing C-25 - Leaving The City || No Provenance
Pairing C-26 - On A Good Day || Swansea
Pairing C-27 - A Pin-Light Bent || '81
Pairing C-28 - Autumn || Bridges And Balloons
Pairing C-29 - Jackrabbits || Inflammatory Writ
Pairing C-30 - Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie || You Will Not Take My Heart Alive

Set 6 - Pairings 31 to 36
A FINAL
Pairing A-31 - Soft As Chalk || Sawdust & Diamonds
Pairing A-32 - Cosmia || Baby Birch
Pairing A-33 - Sapokanikan || Kingfisher
Pairing A-34 - Have One On Me || Only Skin
Pairing A-35 - Sadie || Anecdotes
Pairing A-36 - In California || Emily
B FINAL
Pairing B-31 - Ribbon Bows || Divers
Pairing B-32 - Good Intentions Paving Co. || Monkey & Bear
Pairing B-33 - Peach, Plum, Pear || Goose Eggs
Pairing B-34 - Easy || Go Long
Pairing B-35 - Esme || Time, As A Symptom
Pairing B-36 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!) || Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
C FINAL
Pairing C-31 - Inflammatory Writ || Leaving The City
Pairing C-32 - Swansea || Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie
Pairing C-33 - '81 || No Provenance
Pairing C-34 - On A Good Day || Autumn
Pairing C-35 - Bridges And Balloons || Jackrabbits
Pairing C-36 - A Pin-Light Bent || You Will Not Take My Heart Alive

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 08 Nov 2016, 08:43
by solfatara
It's getting exciting now! I'm kind of surprised seeing In California fall down the ladder, but then again it's up against Ys songs so perhaps it's to be expected.
Happy belated anniversary to Ys!

Set 5 - Pairings 25 to 30
A FINAL
Pairing A-25 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Pairing A-26 - Have One On Me
Pairing A-27 - In California
Pairing A-28 - Only Skin
Pairing A-29 - Anecdotes
Pairing A-30 - Emily
B FINAL
Pairing B-25 - Divers
Pairing B-26 - Easy
Pairing B-27 - Peach, Plum, Pear
Pairing B-28 - Go Long
Pairing B-29 - Ribbon Bows
Pairing B-30 - Monkey & Bear
C FINAL
Pairing C-25 - No Provenance
Pairing C-26 - Swansea
Pairing C-27 - A Pin-Light Bent
Pairing C-28 - Autumn
Pairing C-29 - Inflammatory Writ
Pairing C-30 - You Will Not Take My Heart Alive

Set 6 - Pairings 31 to 36
A FINAL
Pairing A-31 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Pairing A-32 - Cosmia
Pairing A-33 - Sapokanikan || Kingfisher (tie)
Pairing A-34 - Have One On Me || Only Skin (tie)
Pairing A-35 - Anecdotes
Pairing A-36 - In California
B FINAL
Pairing B-31 - Ribbon Bows
Pairing B-32 - Good Intentions Paving Co.
Pairing B-33 - Peach, Plum, Pear
Pairing B-34 - Go Long
Pairing B-35 - Esme
Pairing B-36 - Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
C FINAL
Pairing C-31 - Leaving The City
Pairing C-32 - Swansea
Pairing C-33 - No Provenance
Pairing C-34 - Autumn
Pairing C-35 - Jackrabbits
Pairing C-36 - A Pin-Light Bent

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 08 Nov 2016, 23:27
by Steve
Thank you for your votes (and your message) solfatara.

Here are my votes for the latest pairings -

Set 5 - Pairings 25 to 30
A FINAL
Pairing A-25 - Sawdust & Diamonds (I'd have voted Kingfisher last year, but I'm experiencing a new wave of love for S&D all over again: it's that First Unitarian video that does it every time...)
Pairing A-26 - Cosmia
Pairing A-27 - In California
Pairing A-28 - Only Skin
Pairing A-29 - Anecdotes = Soft As Chalk TIE
Pairing A-30 - Emily (Emily is still getting better and better, even 10 years on; again I'd have voted the other way a year ago, I'm sure)
B FINAL
Pairing B-25 - Divers
Pairing B-26 - Easy
Pairing B-27 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
Pairing B-28 - Go Long
Pairing B-29 - Ribbon Bows
Pairing B-30 - Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
C FINAL
Pairing C-25 - Leaving The City
Pairing C-26 - Swansea
Pairing C-27 - A Pin-Light Bent
Pairing C-28 - Bridges And Balloons
Pairing C-29 - Inflammatory Writ
Pairing C-30 - Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie

Set 6 - Pairings 31 to 36
A FINAL
Pairing A-31 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Pairing A-32 - Cosmia - Baby Birch TIE
Pairing A-33 - Kingfisher
Pairing A-34 - Only Skin
Pairing A-35 - Anecdotes
Pairing A-36 - Emily
B FINAL
Pairing B-31 - Divers
Pairing B-32 - Good Intentions Paving Co.
Pairing B-33 - Goose Eggs
Pairing B-34 - Go Long
Pairing B-35 - Esme
Pairing B-36 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
C FINAL
Pairing C-31 - Inflammatory Writ
Pairing C-32 - Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie
Pairing C-33 - '81
Pairing C-34 - On A Good Day
Pairing C-35 - Bridges And Balloons
Pairing C-36 - A Pin-Light Bent

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 10 Nov 2016, 00:00
by under a CPell
Set 5 - Pairings 25 to 30
A FINAL
Pairing A-25 - Kingfisher
Pairing A-26 - Cosmia
Pairing A-27 - Sapokanikan
Pairing A-28 - Only Skin=Sadie tied
Pairing A-29 - Anecdotes
Pairing A-30 - Emily
B FINAL
Pairing B-25 - Divers
Pairing B-26 - Easy=Good Intentions Paving Co. tied
Pairing B-27 - Peach, Plum, Pear
Pairing B-28 - Go Long
Pairing B-29 - Time, As A Symptom
Pairing B-30 - Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
C FINAL
Pairing C-25 - Leaving The City=No Provenance tied
Pairing C-26 - On A Good Day=Swansea tied
Pairing C-27 - A Pin-Light Bent='81 tied
Pairing C-28 - Autumn
Pairing C-29 - Jackrabbits
Pairing C-30 - Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie

Set 6 - Pairings 31 to 36
A FINAL
Pairing A-31 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Pairing A-32 - Cosmia
Pairing A-33 - Sapokanikan=Kingfisher tied
Pairing A-34 - Only Skin
Pairing A-35 - Sadie=Anecdotes tied
Pairing A-36 - In California
B FINAL
Pairing B-31 - Divers
Pairing B-32 - Good Intentions Paving Co.
Pairing B-33 - Peach, Plum, Pear
Pairing B-34 - Go Long
Pairing B-35 - Time, As A Symptom
Pairing B-36 - Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
C FINAL
Pairing C-31 - Leaving The City
Pairing C-32 - Swansea
Pairing C-33 - '81=No Provenance tied
Pairing C-34 - On A Good Day=Autumn tied
Pairing C-35 - Bridges And Balloons
Pairing C-36 - A Pin-Light Bent

Sorry there is such a large amount of ties! I really found it difficult to choose between of lot the paired songs...
And I always consider '81 and On A Good Day to be on the same level too, they share a certain Celtic-ness.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 10 Nov 2016, 15:25
by Julia
Here are my votes:

Set 5 - Pairings 25 to 30
A FINAL
Pairing A-25 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Pairing A-26 - Have One On Me || Cosmia = TIE
Pairing A-27 - Sapokanikan
Pairing A-28 - Only Skin
Pairing A-29 - Anecdotes
Pairing A-30 - Emily
B FINAL
Pairing B-25 - Divers
Pairing B-26 - Easy || Good Intentions Paving Co. = TIE
Pairing B-27 - Peach, Plum, Pear
Pairing B-28 - Esme
Pairing B-29 - Time, As A Symptom
Pairing B-30 - Monkey & Bear
C FINAL
Pairing C-25 - Leaving The City
Pairing C-26 - On A Good Day
Pairing C-27 - '81
Pairing C-28 - Autumn
Pairing C-29 - Inflammatory Writ
Pairing C-30 - Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie

Set 6 - Pairings 31 to 36
A FINAL
Pairing A-31 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Pairing A-32 - Cosmia
Pairing A-33 - Sapokanikan
Pairing A-34 - Have One On Me || Only Skin = TIE
Pairing A-35 - Anecdotes
Pairing A-36 - Emily
B FINAL
Pairing B-31 - Ribbon Bows || Divers = TIE
Pairing B-32 - Good Intentions Paving Co. || Monkey & Bear = TIE
Pairing B-33 - Goose Eggs
Pairing B-34 - Easy
Pairing B-35 - Esme || Time, As A Symptom = TIE
Pairing B-36 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
C FINAL
Pairing C-31 - Inflammatory Writ
Pairing C-32 - Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie
Pairing C-33 - '81
Pairing C-34 - On A Good Day
Pairing C-35 - Jackrabbits
Pairing C-36 - You Will Not Take My Heart Alive

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 12 Nov 2016, 01:09
by madpawn
Set 5 - Pairings 25 to 30
A FINAL
Pairing A-25 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Pairing A-26 - Have One On Me
Pairing A-27 - In California
Pairing A-28 - Sadie
Pairing A-29 - Anecdotes
Pairing A-30 - Baby Birch
B FINAL
Pairing B-25 - Divers
Pairing B-26 - Easy
Pairing B-27 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
Pairing B-28 - Go Long
Pairing B-29 - Time, As A Symptom
Pairing B-30 - Monkey & Bear
C FINAL
Pairing C-25 - Leaving The City
Pairing C-26 - Swansea
Pairing C-27 - A Pin-Light Bent
Pairing C-28 - Autumn
Pairing C-29 - Jackrabbits
Pairing C-30 - You Will Not Take My Heart Alive

Set 6 - Pairings 31 to 36
A FINAL
Pairing A-31 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Pairing A-32 - Baby Birch
Pairing A-33 - Sapokanikan
Pairing A-34 - Have One On Me
Pairing A-35 - Sadie
Pairing A-36 - In California
B FINAL
Pairing B-31 - Divers
Pairing B-32 - Monkey & Bear
Pairing B-33 - Peach, Plum, Pear
Pairing B-34 - Go Long
Pairing B-35 - Esme
Pairing B-36 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
C FINAL
Pairing C-31 - Leaving The City
Pairing C-32 - Swansea
Pairing C-33 - '81
Pairing C-34 - Autumn
Pairing C-35 - Jackrabbits
Pairing C-36 - A Pin-Light Bent

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 12 Nov 2016, 14:57
by Headless_Caboose
Set 5 - Pairings 25 to 30
A FINAL
Pairing A-25 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Pairing A-26 - Cosmia
Pairing A-27 - Sapokanikan
Pairing A-28 - Only Skin
Pairing A-29 - Anecdotes
Pairing A-30 - Emily
B FINAL
Pairing B-25 - Divers
Pairing B-26 - Easy = Good Intentions Paving Co.
Pairing B-27 - Peach, Plum, Pear
Pairing B-28 - Esme
Pairing B-29 - Ribbon Bows
Pairing B-30 - Monkey & Bear
C FINAL
Pairing C-25 - No Provenance
Pairing C-26 - On A Good Day
Pairing C-27 - '81
Pairing C-28 - Autumn
Pairing C-29 - Jackrabbits
Pairing C-30 - Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie

Set 6 - Pairings 31 to 36
A FINAL
Pairing A-31 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Pairing A-32 - Cosmia
Pairing A-33 - Sapokanikan
Pairing A-34 - Only Skin
Pairing A-35 - Anecdotes
Pairing A-36 - Emily
B FINAL
Pairing B-31 - Ribbon Bows
Pairing B-32 - Monkey & Bear
Pairing B-33 - Goose Eggs
Pairing B-34 - Easy
Pairing B-35 - Esme
Pairing B-36 - Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
C FINAL
Pairing C-31 - Leaving The City
Pairing C-32 - Swansea
Pairing C-33 - No Provenance
Pairing C-34 - Autumn
Pairing C-35 - Jackrabbits
Pairing C-36 - A Pin-Light Bent

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 12 Nov 2016, 21:19
by Steve
Thank you for your votes, under a CPell (don't worry about the ties - in fact they help to keep the competition closer and hence more exciting), Julia, madpawn, and Headless_Caboose.

If anyone else is intending to vote (assuming Tuesday's events haven't put you off voting for good), please note that I intend to close the polls for these latest sets in under 3 hours.