[Steve]

Two groups resulted in ties at the top, and, in one case, the rule that preference would go to the song which had previously enjoyed the best average position in JNST1&2 could not be applied, as Shame (which tied with Never Come Home in Group 1) had not figured in the earlier competitions. There was to be space for two "best runners-up", so I considered that the fairest thing to do would be to include all of the tied songs. Both Shame and Never Come Home will carry an asterisk against their names, meaning that they cannot progress as a "best runner-up" again at any stage in JNST3.

Group 1 —
=1q - Never Come Home [P] — 6
=1q - Shame [DB/V/JN+friends] — 6
3 - Let Go [P] — 3
4 - Pow Strikes Pow Implosion [NC] — 1
5 - The Orchard [PG/JN/TF] — 0
Group 2 —
1Q - Tom Bombadil — 12
2 - Another Disaster [P] — 6
3 - You & Me [KB] — 6
4 - Life's A Happy Song Finale [M] — 2
5 - R.U. In [P] — 0
Group 3 —
1Q - Sycamore [BC] — 18
2 - We Are The Doctor [P] — 3
3 - Ill Pearls [NC] — 3
4 - One Horse [P] — 1
5 - We Are A Crowd [LI] — 0
Group 4 —
1Q - Amour Fou [V] — 12
2 - Lifetime [RF/LM] — 3
3 - Exit (aka Orderly Manor) [P] — 1
4 - The French Lieutenant Dreams [JN/TF] — 0
Group 5 —
1Q - Do You Know Who You Are? [GS] — 15
2 - Amerilie [V] — 9
3 - The Conversation [P] — 1
4 - Orange Peter [P] — 0
5 - Nonrum Nonproblem [NC] — 0
Group 6 —
1Q - Against The Sky [VB] — 6
2q - No Style [P] — 6
3 - This Is Just To Say — 4
4 - Hawk Feeds You To Feed Itself [NC] — 3
5 - Swift Nude [P] — 0
Group 7 —
1Q - River Guard [BC] — 15
2 - Angel — 12
3 - I'm Already Gone (aka Already Gone) [P] — 1
4 - Nuflesh, Old Thirst [NC] — 0
Group 8 —
1Q - The Honey, The Power, The Light [GS] — 18
2 - Prepared Harp Improv. (aka Untitled Harp Music) — 7
3 - Mountain & Bear [KB] — 4
4 - Don't Make Things [P] — 0
5 - Setting The Bushes On Fire [NC] — 0
Group 9 —
1Q - Three Little Babes — 15
2 - Roots [DB/V/JN/E/SN] — 6
3 - Intermission (aka I The Province) [P] — 3
=4 - About Me [P] — 1
=4 - Ras Trent [LI] — 1
Group 10 —
1Q - Eleven Continents [RF/LM] — 12
2 - The Muppet Show Theme [M] — 3
3 - Hear Me Marching [P] — 1
4 - France [PG/JN/TF] — 0
Group 11 —
1Q - The Wheel [BC] — 12
2 - Picture [RP/JN] — 9
3 - Oh Canada [P] — 3
4 - Colorchains Of Inner Space [NC] — 1
5 - untitled [P] (from One Piece From The Middle) — 1
Group 12 —
1Q - Sympathy [GS] — 12
2 - Franks Vs Frank [NC] — 4
3 - Secret [P] — 3
4 - If You Can Afford It [P] — 0
5 - Little Picture Of You [KB] — 0
Group 13 —
1Q - Through The Trees [RF/LM] — 9
2q - Mountain [GS] — 9
3 - Dreams [DB/JN/V] — 2
4 - Rice Precipitation [NC] — 0
Group 14 —
1Q - Bring Me Down [GS] — 12
2 - Good Heart, Money And Rain [MB] — 6
3 - Wake Up Instead [P] — 1
4 - Same Old Man [KB/JN] — 0
5 - Get Wolf Boy And Get In Context [NC] — 0

[Steve]

As promised, 24 groups of three songs, for which I ask you to choose your first and second favourite in each group. The same points will apply as in the last round (first choice 6, second choice 3, third choice 1), with tied positions sharing available points. If there is any song you don't want to receive the points for its position, simply omit it from your vote.

Group 1 — Instrumental 1999 — Emily — The Wheel [BC]
Group 2 — River Guard [BC] — Occident — Good Intentions Paving Company
Group 3 — Sadie — Erin — Sycamore [BC]
Group 4 — Tom Bombadil — Autumn — Colleen
Group 5 — Peach, Plum, Pear — Inflammatory Writ — Look And Despair
Group 6 — Does Not Suffice — On A Good Day — The North Star Grassman And The Ravens
Group 7 — Ribbon Bows — Eleven Continents [RF/LM] — Have One On Me
Group 8 — What We Have Known — Bridges And Balloons — Kindness Be Conceived [TG]
Group 9 — In California — Never Come Home [P] * — Ring The Living Bell [JN/S/WW]
Group 10 — Mountain [GS] * — Only Skin — Man’s Road
Group 11 — Go Long — The Fray — Through The Trees [RF/LM]
Group 12 — Rock Bottom Riser [S] — Three Little Babes — Swansea
Group 13 — Against The Sky [VB] — Cosmia — Jackrabbits
Group 14 — Sprout And The Bean — You And Me, Bess — new harp song ["Hay and a clean stall"]
Group 15 — Yarn And Glue — Easy — The Honey, The Power, The Light [GS]
Group 16 — new piano song ["...space of half a day"] — No Provenance — The Book Of Right-On
Group 17 — Baby Birch — Amour Fou [V] — The Diver’s Wife (aka Diver)
Group 18 — Kingfisher — Bring Me Down [GS] — Cassiopeia
Group 19 — "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!) — The Man Who Ran The Town [HS/JN] — Esme
Group 20 — This Side Of The Blue — Another Day [RH/JN] — Flying A Kite
Group 21 — Do You Know Who You Are? [GS] — Monkey & Bear — Little Wing
Group 22 — ’81 — Our Anniversary [S] — Soft As Chalk
Group 23 — Shame [DB/V/JN+friends] * — Sawdust & Diamonds — If I Were [VB]
Group 24 — Sympathy [GS] — Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes — Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie

With the more familiar songs now making their entry, I hope you;ll find this round more interesting, and that we'll get a few more voters! I aim to leave the voting open until next Sunday midnight (UK BST time) - that's 7 days from now, all but 25 minutes! Don't forget ... vote for your favourite version of each song. And feel free to add your comments when voting.

[mywaywardfriend]

Group 1 — Emily - 1
Group 2 — Occident - 2 Good Intentions Paving Company - 1
Group 3 — Sadie - 2 Erin - 1
Group 4 — Autumn - 2 Colleen - 1
Group 5 — Peach, Plum, Pear - 2 Look And Despair - 1
Group 6 — Does Not Suffice - 1 On A Good Day - 2
Group 7 — Ribbon Bows - 2 Have One On Me - 1
Group 8 — What We Have Known - 2 Bridges And Balloons - 1
Group 9 — In California - 1
Group 10 — Only Skin - 1 Man’s Road - 2
Group 11 — Go Long - 1 The Fray - 2
Group 12 — Swansea - 1
Group 13 — Cosmia - 1 Jackrabbits - 2
Group 14 — Sprout And The Bean — 2 new harp song ["Hay and a clean stall"] - 1
Group 15 — Yarn And Glue - 2 Easy — 1
Group 16 — new piano song ["...space of half a day"] — 1 The Book Of Right-On - 2
Group 17 — Baby Birch - 1 The Diver’s Wife (aka Diver) - 2
Group 18 — Kingfisher - 1 Cassiopeia - 2
Group 19 — "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!) - 1 Esme - 2
Group 20 — This Side Of The Blue - 2 Flying A Kite - 1
Group 21 — Monkey & Bear - 1 — Little Wing - 2
Group 22 — ’81 - 2 Soft As Chalk - 1
Group 23 — Sawdust & Diamonds - 1
Group 24 — Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes - 1 Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie - 2

[claire]

Group 1
1. Emily
2. Instrumental 1999
3. The Wheel

Group 2
1. Good Intentions Paving Company
2. Occident
3. River Guard

Group 3
1. Sadie
2. Erin
3. Sycamore

Group 4
1. Autumn
2. Colleen
3. Tom Bombadil

Group 5
1. Inflammatory Writ
2. Look and Despair
3. Peach, Plum, Pear

Group 6
1. Does Not Suffice
2. On a Good Day
3. The North Star Grassman And The Ravens

Group 7
1. Have One On Me
2. Ribbon Bows

Group 8
1. Bridges and Balloons
2. What We Have Known

Group 9
1. In California
2. Ring the Living Bell

Group 10
1. Only Skin

Group 11
1. Go Long
2. The Fray

Group 12
1. Swansea
2. Rock Bottom Riser
3. Three Little Babes

Group 13
1. Cosmia
2. Jackrabbits

Group 14
1. You and Me, Bess
2. New Harp Song
3. Sprout and the Bean

Group 15
1. Easy
2. Yarn and Glue
3. The Honey, The Power, The Light

Group 16
1. No Provenance
2. The Book of Right-On
3. New Piano Song

Group 17
1. Baby Birch
2. The Diver's Wife

Group 18
1. Kingfisher
2. Cassiopeia

Group 19
1. "En Gallop"
2. Esme

Group 20
1. Flying a Kite
2. This Side of the Blue

Group 21
1. Monkey & Bear

Group 22
1. Soft As Chalk
2. '81
3. Our Anniversary

Group 23
1. Sawdust & Diamonds

Group 24
1. Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie
2. Ca' the Yowes to the Knowes

[Ann]

Group 1 — 1. Emily
Group 2 — 1. Good Intentions Paving Company — 2. Occident
Group 3 — 1. Sadie — 2. Erin
Group 4 — 1. Colleen — 2. Autumn
Group 5 — 1. Peach, Plum, Pear — 2. Inflammatory Writ — 3. Look and Despair
Group 6 — 1. Does Not Suffice — 2. On a Good Day
Group 7 — 1. Have One on Me — 2. Ribbon Bows
Group 8 — 1. Bridges and Balloons — 2. What We Have Known
Group 9 — 1. In California
Group 10 — 1. Only Skin
Group 11 — 1. Go Long — 2. The Fray
Group 12 — 1. Three Little Babes — 2. Swansea
Group 13 — 1. Cosmia — 2. Jackrabbits
Group 14 — 1. You and Me, Bess — 2. Sprout and the Bean — 3. New Harp Song ["Hay and a clean stall..."
Group 15 — 1. Yarn and Glue — 2. Easy
Group 16 — 1. The Book of Right-On — 2. new piano song ["...space of half a day"] — 3. No Provenance
Group 17 — 1. Baby Birch — 2. The Diver’s Wife
Group 18 — 1. Cassiopeia — 2. Kingfisher
Group 19 — 1. "En Gallop" 2. Esme
Group 20 — 1. This Side of the Blue — 2. Flying a Kite
Group 21 — 1. Monkey & Bear
Group 22 — 1. ’81 — 2. Soft as Chalk
Group 23 — 1. Sawdust & Diamonds
Group 24 — 1. Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie — 2. Ca’ the Yowes to the Knowes

[Steve]

Less than 24 hours in, and 3 voters already ... thank you Mywaywardfriend, Claire, and Ann.

My votes for this round are -

Group 1 — 2: Instrumental 1999 — 1: Emily
Group 2 — 3: River Guard [BC] — 2: Occident — 1: Good Intentions Paving Company
Group 3 — 1: Sadie — 2: Erin — 3: Sycamore [BC]
Group 4 — 2: Tom Bombadil — 1: Autumn
Group 5 — 3: Peach, Plum, Pear — 2: Inflammatory Writ — 1: Look And Despair
Group 6 — 2: Does Not Suffice — 1: On A Good Day — 3: The North Star Grassman And The Ravens
Group 7 — 2: Ribbon Bows — 3: Eleven Continents [RF/LM] — 1: Have One On Me
Group 8 — =1: What We Have Known — =1: Bridges And Balloons — 3: Kindness Be Conceived [TG]
Group 9 — 1: In California — 3: Never Come Home [P] * — 2: Ring The Living Bell [JN/S/WW]
Group 10 — 3: Mountain [GS] * — 1: Only Skin — 2: Man’s Road
Group 11 — 1: Go Long — 2: The Fray — 3: Through The Trees [RF/LM]
Group 12 — 3: Rock Bottom Riser [S] — 1: Three Little Babes — 2: Swansea
Group 13 — 1: Cosmia — 2: Jackrabbits
Group 14 — 1: Sprout And The Bean — 3: You And Me, Bess — 2: new harp song ["Hay and a clean stall"]
Group 15 — 3: Yarn And Glue — 1: Easy — 2: The Honey, The Power, The Light [GS]
Group 16 — 2: new piano song ["...space of half a day"] — 3: No Provenance — 1: The Book Of Right-On
Group 17 — 1: Baby Birch — 3: Amour Fou [V] — 2: The Diver’s Wife (aka Diver)
Group 18 — 1: Kingfisher — 3: Bring Me Down [GS] — 2: Cassiopeia
Group 19 — 1: "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!) — =2: The Man Who Ran The Town [HS/JN] — =2: Esme
Group 20 — 2: This Side Of The Blue — 3: Another Day [RH/JN] — 1: Flying A Kite
Group 21 — 1: Do You Know Who You Are? [GS] — 2: Monkey & Bear — 3: Little Wing
Group 22 — 2: ’81 — 3: Our Anniversary [S] — 1: Soft As Chalk
Group 23 — 1: Sawdust & Diamonds
Group 24 — 3: Sympathy [GS] — 2: Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes — 1: Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie

(rather easier to decide most of them than the previous round!)

[Alex Ysoltsev]

[Steve]

Hi Alex
You are quite right - and apologies for the confusion which is entirely my fault: the rules are indeed contradictory.
I think the best solution - since Mywaywardfriend, Claire, and Ann, have already cast their votes seemingly guided by the first part ("I ask you to choose your first and second favourite in each group") will be for me to assume that they would have named the missing song in 3rd place. If two songs are missing, I'll assume they meant them to be placed joint 2nd in that group.
If they meant something else, and would be kind enough to let me know I will be happy to amend the points allocations, with my apologies once more.
To state all the possibilities explicitly -
"1st A, 2nd B" or "1st A, 2nd B, 3rd C" => A 6 points, B 3 points, C 1 point
"1st A" or "1st A, =2nd B & C" => A 6 points; B 2 points, C 2 points
"=1st A & B" or "=1st A & B, 3rd C" => A 4½ points, B 4½ points, C 1 point

In the case of my own votes, I was following the second instruction, and specifically the third bit, which said "If there is any song you don't want to receive the points for its position, simply omit it from your vote", so my votes will be applied as follows:
- In cases where I mention all three songs, treatment is the same as (the second option in) each of the three cases above, ie:
"1st A, 2nd B, 3rd C" => A 6 points, B 3 points, C 1 point
"1st A, =2nd B & C" => A 6 points; B 2 points, C 2 points
"=1st A & B, 3rd C" => A 4½ points, B 4½ points, C 1 point
But where don't mention all three songs, the intention is to allocate points as follows:
"1st A, 2nd B" => A 6 points, B 3 points, C 0 points
"1st A" => A 6 points; B 0 points, C 0 points
"=1st A & B" => A 4½ points, B 4½ points, C 0 point

[Steve]

So for future voters, please could you amend the instruction "I ask you to choose your first and second favourite in each group..." and read it as "Please could you indicate your first, second, and third preferences among the three songs in each group, to which will be allocated 6 points, 3 points, and 1 point respectively (sharing any points for songs you place in tied positions), and leaving out any song(s) to which you do not want to award any points.

[Ann]

Ah, okay, I was confused. I'm adding a third vote to two of them. I'll edit my post. For the rest with no third vote, I'm still going with no vote cast.

[Jordan~]

Are we allowed to cast only one vote in each group? As in, vote for number 1, and abstain from 2 and 3?

[madpawn]

Group 1
1. Emily
2. Instrumental 1999

Group 2
1. Occident
2. Good Intentions Paving Company

Group 3
1. Sadie
2. Erin

Group 4
1. Autumn
2. Colleen
3. Tom Bombadil

Group 5
1. Look and Despair
2. Peach, Plum, Pear

Group 6
1. Does Not Suffice
2. On A Good Day

Group 7
1. Have One On Me

Group 8
1. Bridges And Balloons

Group 9
1. In California

Group 10
1. Only Skin

Group 11
1. Go Long

Group 12
1. Swansea

Group 13
1. Cosmia
2. Jackrabbits

Group 14
1. Sprout And The Bean

Group 15
1. Easy
2. Yarn and Glue

Group 16
1. The Book Of Right-On
2. No Provenance

Group 17
1. Baby Birch
2. The Diver’s Wife (aka Diver)

Group 18
1. Kingfisher
2. Cassiopeia

Group 19
1. "En Gallop"
2. Esme

Group 20
No votes.

Group 21
1. Monkey & Bear

Group 22
1. '81
2. Soft As Chalk

Group 23
1. Sawdust & Diamonds
2. If I Were [VB]

Group 24
1. Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes

[claire]

I just edited mine too. If there aren't three listed for a group, no votes to any of the songs left off.

[under a CPell]

Group 1 — 2: Instrumental 1999 — 1: Emily
Group 2 — 2: Occident — 1: Good Intentions Paving Company
Group 3 — 1: Sadie — 1: Erin (tied)
Group 4 — 1: Autumn — 2: Colleen
Group 5 — 1: Peach, Plum, Pear — 3: Inflammatory Writ — 2: Look And Despair
Group 6 — 1: Does Not Suffice — 2: On A Good Day — 3: The North Star Grassman And The Ravens
Group 7 — 2: Ribbon Bows — 1: Have One On Me
Group 8 — 2: What We Have Known — 1: Bridges And Balloons — 3: Kindness Be Conceived [TG]
Group 9 — 1: In California
Group 10 — 1: Only Skin
Group 11 — 1: Go Long — 2: The Fray
Group 12 — 2: Three Little Babes — 1: Swansea
Group 13 — 1: Cosmia — 2: Jackrabbits
Group 14 — 1: Sprout And The Bean — 2: You And Me, Bess — 2: new harp song ["Hay and a clean stall"] (numbers 2 tied)
Group 15 — 2: Yarn And Glue — 1: Easy
Group 16 — 2: new piano song ["...space of half a day"] — 1: No Provenance — 2: The Book Of Right-On (numbers 2 tied)
Group 17 — 2: Baby Birch — 1: The Diver’s Wife (aka Diver)
Group 18 — 1: Kingfisher — 2: Cassiopeia
Group 19 — 1: "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!) — 2: Esme
Group 20 — 3: This Side Of The Blue — 1: Another Day [RH/JN] — 2: Flying A Kite
Group 21 — 1: Monkey & Bear
Group 22 — 1: ’81 — 2: Soft As Chalk
Group 23 — 1: Sawdust & Diamonds
Group 24 — 1: Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes — 2: Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie

I gave no vote to the songs I don't know

[Steve]

[Jordan~]

Group 1 —
1. Emily
2. --
3. --

Group 2 —
1. Good Intentions Paving Company
2. Occident
3. --

Group 3 —
1. Sadie
2. Erin
3. --

Group 4 —
1. Colleen
2. Autumn
3. Tom Bombadil

Group 5 —
1. Look and Despair
2. Inflammatory Writ
3. Peach, Plum, Pear

Group 6 —
1. Does Not Suffice
2. --
3. On A Good Day

Group 7 —
1. Have One On Me
2. Ribbon Bows
3. --

Group 8 —
1. Bridges and Balloons
2. What We Have Known
3. --

Group 9 —
1. In California
2. --
3. --

Group 10 —
1. Only Skin
2. --
3. --

Group 11 —
1. Go Long
2. The Fray
3. --

Group 12 —
1. Three Little Babes
2. Swansea
3. --

Group 13 —
1. Cosmia
2. Jackrabbits
3. --

Group 14 —
1. Sprout And The Bean
2. You And Me, Bess; new harp song ["Hay and a clean stall"]
3. --

Group 15 —
1. Easy
2. --
3. Yarn and Glue

Group 16 —
1. new piano song ["...space of half a day"]
2. The Book Of Right-On
3. No Provenance

Group 17 —
1. Baby Birch
2. The Diver's Wife
3. --

Group 18 —
1. Kingfisher
2. --
3. Cassiopeia

Group 19 —
1. Esme
2. The Man Who Ran The Town
3. En Gallop

Group 20 —
1. This Side Of The Blue
2. Flying A Kite
3. --

Group 21 —
1. Monkey & Bear
2. --
3. --

Group 22 —
1. Soft As Chalk
2. --
3. '81

Group 23 —
1. Sawdust & Diamonds
2. --
3. --

Group 24 —
1. Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes
2. --
3. Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie

[Jordan~]

I figured voting for first and third would be allowed from the way you described the allocation of points based on ranking and relative ranking - if I got that wrong, just consider the number 3s to be number 2s where there's no number 2 but there is a number 3!

I just did that where I thought that 2 was too high a position to give a song considering what 1 was and I wasn't voting for all three. It's like I sometimes say when ranking music in general - Joanna Newsom and Streetlight Manifesto are drawn first place, then there's about eighty empty rankings before any other music enters the chart.

[Headless_Caboose]

Group 1 —
1. Emily
2. Instrumental 1999
3. --

Group 2 —
1. Good Intentions Paving Company
2. Occident
3. River Guard [BC]

Group 3 —
1. Sadie
2. Sycamore [BC]
3. Erin

Group 4 —
1. Colleen
2. Autumn
3. --

Group 5 —
1. Look And Despair
2. Inflammatory Writ
3. Peach, Plum, Pear

Group 6 —
1. On A Good Day
2. Does Not Suffice
3. The North Star Grassman And The Ravens

Group 7 —
1. Have One On Me
2. Ribbon Bows
3. --

Group 8 —
1. What We Have Known
2. Bridges And Balloons
3. Kindness Be Conceived [TG]

Group 9 —
1. In California
2. --
3. Ring The Living Bell [JN/S/WW]

Group 10 —
1. Only Skin
2. --
3. Man’s Road

Group 11 —
1. Go Long
2. --
3. The Fray

Group 12 —
1. Swansea
2. Rock Bottom Riser [S]
3. Three Little Babes

Group 13 —
1. Cosmia
2. Jackrabbits
3. Against The Sky [VB]

Group 14 —
1. You And Me, Bess = new harp song ["Hay and a clean stall"]
3. Sprout And The Bean

Group 15 —
1. Easy
2. Yarn And Glue
3. --

Group 16 —
1. new piano song ["...space of half a day"] = No Provenance
3.--

Group 17 —
1. Baby Birch
2. The Diver’s Wife (aka Diver)
3. --

Group 18 —
1. Kingfisher
2. Cassiopeia
3. --

Group 19 —
1. Esme
2. "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
3. --

Group 20 —
1. This Side Of The Blue
2. Another Day [RH/JN]
3. Flying a Kite

Group 21 —
1. Monkey & Bear
2. --
3. Little Wing

Group 22 —
1. ’81
2. Soft As Chalk
3. Our Anniversary [S]

Group 23 —
1. Sawdust & Diamonds
2. If I Were [VB]
3. --

Group 24
1. Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie
2. Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes
3. --

[Steve]

[Steve]

Hi Headless_Caboose

Please ignore my comments in the posting above - now I look at your votes I see that you've already applied Jordan's Rule, so that's all good and there's no need for you to do anything!

Unfortunately MM isn't allowing me to edit completed posts at the moment, so I am having to make this a separate one.

Thanks once again